CHAMP DES POSSIBLES : Brussels – Belgium

Le Champ des Possible is the idea that innovation entails being curious about everything, and broadening our field of investigation beyond conventional borders. For Art & Build Architects it is crucial to share knowledge, experiences, best practice, and innovatory ideas, so as to create the conditions for progress and leave a better inheritance for future generations. In the course of this new conference, which was held on 22 May 2019 as part of the We are Real Estate fair,  Nils Vanhauwaert, (COO, Upgrade Estate), Kristiaan Borret (Master Builder in Brussels), Xavier Tackoen (CEO, Espaces Mobilités), Robert Winkel (CEO, MEI Architects & Planners) and Yves Weinand (Architect and civil engineer, Professor at the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne), spoke about the changing of cities.

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Speakers : David Roulin, CEO, Art & Build Architects – Nils Vanhauwaert, COO, Upgrade Estate – Kristiaan Borret, Bouwmeester, bma.brussels – Xavier Tackoen, CEO, Espaces Mobilités – Robert Winkel, CEO MEI Architects & Planners – Yves Weinand, Ir. Architect, Professor, Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne

French Subtitles

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Ce qui nous intéressait ici,

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c’était de mettre en évidence

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le fait que le processus
de construction de la ville

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fait interagir un nombre
important de personnes

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dans des domaines très différents,

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c’est-à-dire qu’un projet urbanistique,

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un projet de construction,

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un projet de quartier ne se fait pas

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du fait de la pensée d’une seule personne

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mais de nombreux intervenants,

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des gens qui parlent de mobilité,

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des gens qui font de l’architecture,
de l’urbanisme, des avocats,

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des gens qui gèrent

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la gouvernance du territoire,

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des opérateurs privés.

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Toutes ces personnes
interagissent entre elles

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et font qu’un projet
naît de cette interaction.

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Et c’est ça qui nous intéresse.

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C’est de montrer
cette intelligence collective

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qui naît de l’interaction
entre les individus

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et donc mettre ici 5 personnalités

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qui ont chacun dans leur domaine
une expertise

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et innovent chacun dans leur domaine,

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c’est démontrer justement
que tout ça est lié

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et que chacun n’est pas dans son coin,

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que plus on partage, plus on s’enrichit

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de ce savoir-faire, de cette connaissance

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et on élève le débat

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et on crée de la valeur ajoutée.

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Nous sommes surtout actifs

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dans le logement pour étudiants,

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nous sommes très connus
avec notre marque « Up kot »

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et nous y voyons encore
énormément de possibilités.

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L’étudiant est aussi
le futur habitant de la ville,

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et il a aussi ses souhaits
et besoins spécifiques.

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Le savoir-faire que nous apprenons de cela

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nous pouvons l’adopter

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dans de nouveaux concepts,

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par exemple « Het Upliving » est
un nouveau concept pour nous.

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C’est un concept de logement
pour les jeunes professionnels.

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Nous constatons cela avec les étudiants
qui occupent nos kots.

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Ils ont terminé leurs études,
mais quid après ?

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Ils disent qu’ils aimeraient
rester vivre en ville

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à Gand ou à Bruxelles,

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mais ils ont aussi
des demandes spécifiques,

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des souhaits spécifiques :

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continuer à cohabiter avec deux amis,
avec leur copine, en couple,

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mais ils n’ont pas envie
non plus de s’engager

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dans une location à long terme.

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Donc, comment allons-nous résoudre cela ?

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Évidemment, c’est une demande qui

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nous vient très souvent,

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et nous allons donc développer
un nouveau concept pour cela.

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Nous savons qu’il y a un marché
à explorer pour cela.

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Aujourd’hui le long du canal,

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on construit beaucoup d’immeubles.

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Moi je pense qu’aujourd’hui à Bruxelles,

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« Le champ des possibles » est déjà ouvert.

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Je pense qu’il y a beaucoup
de changements dans la ville,

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qu’il y a une bonne volonté,

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qu’il y a beaucoup de dynamique

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et, de là, je suis extrêmement optimiste.

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Je pense que Bruxelles est en train
de changer fondamentalement.

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J’ai beaucoup plus d’inquiétude

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pour ce qui entoure les villes
en matière de mobilité

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parce qu’on va avoir des villes
qui vont regagner en intérêt

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au travers de tous
les défis qu’on connaît,

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énergétique, climatique, etc.

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Et aujourd’hui on voit
qu’il y a un mécanisme

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qui est en train de se mettre en place

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et que de plus en plus de personnes

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vont dans le sens de pratiquer

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des mobilités alternatives,

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alors je vais dire qu’elles vont pratiquer

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des mobilités combinées,

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c’est-à-dire que l’on a toujours
des gens qui vont utiliser la voiture

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mais vont la combiner
avec d’autres moyens de transport

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et finalement vont s’affranchir
de la possession automobile

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parce que ce qui tue autant nos villes,

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c’est autant les véhicules en circulation

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que ceux en stationnement.

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Aujourd’hui un véhicule

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reste 95 % de son temps stationné

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et ça occupe un espace très important.

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Il est évident que pour certaines
catégories de population,

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pour certains besoins,
la voiture, en tout cas

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les déplacements motorisés
sont encore nécessaires,

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mais on voit tout le potentiel aujourd’hui

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de modes de transport traditionnels,
comme le transport public

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mais certainement le regain du vélo,
du vélo électrique

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et des nouvelles mobilités
de type voitures partagées,

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trottinettes électriques.

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On a vraiment un potentiel
très important de changer la manière

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dont nos villes sont organisées.

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Je pense que ces 10 dernières années,

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il y a eu à Bruxelles un débat
sur le développement urbain,

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et ce débat peut être relié à un nombre.

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Le nombre 10.000.

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Le nombre du futur est 2.

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10.000, c’est le nombre
de nouveaux habitants

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qui se sont ajoutés par an
ces 10 dernières années.

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La densification est
tout en haut de l’agenda.

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Nous devons trouver de la place

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pour 10.000 nouveaux habitants par an.

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Nous devons prévoir des infrastructures
pour 10.000 nouveaux habitants par an.

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Cela veut dire qu’il faut densifier.

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Le grand récit du développement urbain
des années passées

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a été la densification
de la croissance démographique.

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Je pense qu’aujourd’hui,

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un nouveau débat se présente

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et ce nouveau paradigme est le nombre 2.

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2, c’est la hausse moyenne de température

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dont nous savons qu’elle va se produire

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à cause du changement climatique.

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En ville, ce sera
même peut-être 3 à 4 degrés.

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Je pense que c’est cela
qui doit devenir le moteur

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de notre nouvelle vision
du développement urbain.

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Le « champ des possibles »,

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c’est que les villes sont
le seul territoire où c’est possible.

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Pourquoi ? Parce qu’elles sont denses,

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elles vivent de la proximité,

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elles vivent des contacts humains,

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elles vivent de la densité
et de la mixité des fonctions.

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Et tout ce qu’on a mal fait

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en matière d’urbanisation
avec le fonctionnalisme,

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le fait de mettre
des fonctions différentes

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sur des territoires
sans permettre la mixité,

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rend impossible
des mobilités alternatives.

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Donc les villes sont
« le champ des possibles »,

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elles vont aller vers ce possible

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parce qu’elles ont tous les ingrédients
pour y arriver.

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Encore faut-il maintenant
bien associer les ingrédients

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pour que cela fonctionne.

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Je pense que nous devons
voir la densification,

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par exemple à Bruxelles,
de façon plus large.

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Cela concerne la seconde couronne.

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Nous devons examiner
quelles sont, là aussi,

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les possibilités de densification,

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pour que toute cette densification

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ne se fasse pas dans les mêmes quartiers.

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Une densification maîtrisée,
voilà un bon modèle pour l’avenir.

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Je pense que la « construction circulaire »
va devenir beaucoup plus fréquente.

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Nous ne pouvons pas traiter les bâtiments

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comme des produits jetables.

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Nous allons devoir réfléchir
à comment réutiliser les bâtiments,

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comment conserver
des bâtiments plus anciens,

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comment réutiliser les matériaux,

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mais aussi comment,
dans les nouvelles constructions,

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anticiper l’adaptabilité future.

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Je pense que la construction circulaire

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est un thème très important pour le futur.

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J’aimerais montrer quelques projets

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dans lesquels il y a en fait 2 choses

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qui sont en train de changer
dans les villes.

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La première chose,

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c’est l’ancienne scission qu’on faisait

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entre le trafic domicile-travail
et l’aspect récréatif.

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C’est le schéma monofonctionnel,

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dont on se distancie de plus en plus.

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Toutes ces fonctions différentes

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sont de plus en plus mélangées.

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Dans une petite structure,

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mélanger est très important.

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Officiellement, on parle de « mixed use »,

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j’en montre 2 projets.

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L’autre aspect qui devient

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de plus en plus important

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c’est le regard monolithique
sur les bâtiments.

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Un bâtiment qui en fait
interagit peu avec son contexte

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et est uniquement fonctionnel,

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c’est aussi une chose
dont on se distancie de plus en plus.

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Maintenant, on conçoit des bâtiments

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qui ont une identité.

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Au final, on veut mélanger

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travail, logement,
aspect récréatif, trafic,

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mais aussi enseignement
dans un petit noyau.

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On veut ajouter aux bâtiments existants

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de nouveaux bâtiments
qui ont une forte identité.

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Je pense que nous devons aussi travailler

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à l’effet d’îlot thermique de la ville.

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Je pense que nous allons devoir prévoir

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plus d’espaces verts,
de la verdure disséminée,

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dans la ville dans les années à venir.

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Ce sont tous des changements

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qui ont pour but de préparer nos villes

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au changement climatique

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qui est en train de s’opérer.

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Le problème sur nos territoires,

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c’est que surtout
dans le cas de Bruxelles,

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la gouvernance institutionnelle

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crée une tension territoriale,

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une concurrence territoriale
entre 3 régions

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qui veulent chacune obtenir
un maximum de résidents, d’emplois etc…

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Et malheureusement,
ce n’est pas très compatible.

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Mais Bruxelles

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doit prendre son avenir en main

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et revaloriser la qualité
qu’elle a intrinsèquement

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en tant que ville métropole,

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que ville mondiale.

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Le Brabant wallon

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est en train de suffoquer

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sous sa propre mobilité,

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parce qu’on oublie que la plupart
des gens qui habitent ces territoires

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ne viennent plus à Bruxelles,
ils travaillent dans le Brabant wallon

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ou ils travaillent du Brabant wallon
vers le Brabant flamand

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mais on dit qu’ils rejoignent Bruxelles.

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C’est faux.

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Ils rejoignent le ring de Bruxelles

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qui est en quelque sorte
le ring de Belgique

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et donc ils participent
à cette immobilité métropolitaine

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qui suffoque, mais globalement, Bruxelles,

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et peu de gens le savent en fait,

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il y a moins
de voitures en circulation

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à Bruxelles aujourd’hui
qu’il y a 10 ou 20 ans.

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Mais il y a plus de congestion

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parce qu’on a fait aussi un choix
de rééquilibrer l’espace public

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et de donner plus de place
aux transports publics, aux vélos,

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qui font que les choses ont changé,

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donc inévitablement

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dans le Brabant wallon,

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le Brabant flamand,
les choses vont se détériorer.

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Les gens peuvent continuer,
peuvent faire le choix de s’y implanter,

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les entreprises, les citoyens
de s’implanter là-bas

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mais en connaissance de cause.

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Les choses ne vont faire
que fortement se dégrader

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et l’accessibilité des villes

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devra se faire autrement qu’en voiture

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parce que les villes vont
avoir besoin de se protéger.

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Je crois que l’on doit
se soucier de l’origine

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des matériaux de construction
qu’on utilise,

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c’est-à-dire de l’énergie
qui est en fait utilisée

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pour les produire ou pas,

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de l’empreinte carbone sur notre planète

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et, comme c’est déjà le cas
dans l’alimentaire,

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il faut orienter les architectes

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vers une utilisation consciente

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de matériaux durables.

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Donc à ce titre-là,

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le bois est un matériau renouvelable

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et c’est quelque chose qui peut intéresser
nos villes dans le futur

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puisque lorsqu’on construit en bois,

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on ne doit pas forcément le montrer.

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Je pense qu’une structure
portante d’un immeuble

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ou même d’un bâtiment en hauteur,

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peut être en bois

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sans que forcément la façade

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de ce bâtiment

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soit une façade en bois visible, etc.

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Donc ici on veut vraiment accroître

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la quantité de bois utilisée

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dans la construction

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afin d’augmenter

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l’utilisation de la biomasse

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et ne laisser

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après la vie de ce bâtiment,

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parce qu’on doit penser aussi

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après l’usage du bâtiment
ce qu’il en advient,

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de ne pas, avoir une trace négative

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au niveau de l’environnement

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ou par rapport à la planète.

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Avec Yves Weinand,

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on a étudié un projet assez ambitieux

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pour la ville de Liège :

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la nouvelle « Halle des Foires »
de Coronmeuse.

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C’est un concours qu’on n’a pas gagné

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mais ça nous a permis de faire

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une étude un peu poussée

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sur l’application de ces recherches

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à l’université, dans la construction,

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pour un projet qui aurait pu marquer

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le devenir de la ville de Liège

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dans une nouvelle dynamique,
une nouvelle industrie

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qui remplace l’industrie traditionnelle

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de la métallurgie.

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Ici, nous scannons des arbres sur pied,

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nous connaissons le descriptif précis

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de la forme naturelle de cet arbre

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et nous arrivons à lier cette forme

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à l’emplacement définitif d’une pièce

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dans une construction architecturale.

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Donc nous avons proposé

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un bâtiment à grande échelle

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où nous conservons tous les éléments

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tels qu’ils existent dans la nature

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pour les introduire

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dans des éléments porteurs

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comme par exemple une poutre treillis

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ou des colonnes post assemblées.

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Et là, on arrive à faire chuter le prix,

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par exemple uniquement
pour une structure portante,

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au quart du prix normal.

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C’est quelque chose de très intéressant

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d’avoir 1 mètre cube de bois

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aux alentours de 130 €

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plutôt que du bois laminé-collé
aux alentours de 1.500 € par mètre cube.

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Selon moi, les opportunités
pour l’architecture

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se situent dans l’apport
de valeurs ajoutées,

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pas dans l’exercice pur
du métier d’architecte

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mais voir plus loin
que la discipline en soi.

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Cela veut dire qu’il faut
aussi être intéressé

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par le développement de bâtiments,

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les financements, l’utilisation,

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le futur, et, très important :

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comment les bâtiments seront flexibles
dans le futur,

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et, très important aussi, la connaissance.

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Connaissance des réglementations,

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connaissance des lois qui vont changer.

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Ces 3 choses, le futur, la flexibilité,

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le fait de voir plus loin que le bâtiment,

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regarder aussi ce qui se passe
à l’avant du processus,

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et en même temps avoir
beaucoup de connaissances,

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je pense que ce sont
les choses les plus importantes

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pour l’architecture en général.

English Subtitles

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What interested us here

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was to cast some light on the fact

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that the process of constructing a city

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results in a significant
number of people interacting

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in very different fields,

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which means that an urban project,

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a construction project,

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a neighbourhood project, doesn’t get done

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as the result of one person’s thinking

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but by that of numerous stakeholders,

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by the people who talk about mobility,

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by the people who do the architecture,
by urban planners, lawyers,

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by the people who manage

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the administration of the area,

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by the private operators.

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All of these people
interact with each other

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and from this interaction
a project is born.

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And that is what interests us.

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We wish to show
this collective intelligence

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that is created by the interaction
between individuals

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and to show here 5 different personalities

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who each in their own fields
possess expertise

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and who each innovate in their own fields.

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This is about demonstrating

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that all this is connected

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and that nobody stays in his corner,

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that the more we share,

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the more we are enriched by this know-how,

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by this knowledge

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and we raise the level of debate

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and we create added value.

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We are mostly active

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in student accommodation housing,

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we’re well known for our « Up kot » brand

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and we can still see
huge possibilities with it.

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The student is also the future

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inhabitant of the city,

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and he also has his own wishes
and specific needs.

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The know-how we learn from this

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we can apply in new concepts

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for example « UpHet living »
is a new concept for us.

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It’s a living concept
for young professionals.

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We’ve noticed this with the students

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living in our student flats.

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They’ve finished their studies,

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so what now?

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They say they’d like to stay

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on living in the city

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in Ghent or in Brussels,

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but they’ve also got

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some specific requirements,

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some specific wishes:

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keep on cohabiting with two friends,
with their girlfriend, as a couple,

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though they don’t want to commit
to a long-term lease.

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So, how are we going to resolve that?

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It’s a request of course,

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that often comes our way,

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and so we’re going to develop
a new concept for that.

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We know that there’s a market

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to be explored for that.

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These days, all along the canal,

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they’re constructing a lot of buildings.

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I actually think
that in Brussels these days

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the « Field of Possibilities »
has already opened up.

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I think that there have been a lot
of changes in the city,

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that there is real determination,

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that there is a lot of dynamism,

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and with all that

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I am extremely optimistic.

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I think that Brussels is going through
fundamental change.

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I am much more worried

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about the areas surrounding the cities
on the issue of mobility

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because we’re going to have cities
that will regain interest

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from all the known challenges,

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energy, climate etc.

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And we can see these days
that there is a mechanism

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that’s being put in place

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and that more and more people

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are moving in the direction of using

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alternative transport.

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So I’m saying that
they’re going to make use

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of mixed mobility, meaning
that there’ll always be people

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who are going to use a car

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but who will combine it

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with other means of transport

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and who will end up freeing themselves
from car ownership

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because what is killing
so many of our cities,

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it’s as much the vehicles moving around
as those that are parked.

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A vehicle is currently parked

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95% of the time

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and that uses up a very important space.

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Clearly,
for certain population categories,

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for certain needs,

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the car, or motorised movements anyway,

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are still necessary,

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but now we can see all the potential

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of traditional forms of transport,

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such as public transport and certainly
the comeback of the bicycle,

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the electric bicycle
and new forms of mobility

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such as car-sharing,

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electric scooters.

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There is really huge

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potential for us to change the way

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our cities are organised.

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I think that in these past ten years,

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there’s been a debate in Brussels

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about urban development,

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and this debate is linked to a number.

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The number 10,000.

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The number of the future is 2.

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10,000, that’s
the number of new inhabitants

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who’ve been added in each
of the past ten years.

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Densification is at the top

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of the agenda.

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We have to find the room

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for 10,000 new inhabitants every year.

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We have to plan the infrastructure

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for 10,000 new inhabitants every year.

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That means that you have to densify.

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The great achievement
of urban development in past years

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has been the densification
of demographic growth.

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I think today
that a new debate is emerging

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and this new paradigm is the number 2.

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2 is the average rise in temperature

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which we know is going to occur
due to climate change.

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In cities this might even be
3 or 4 degrees.

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I think this is
what should become the driver

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of our new vision of urban development.

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The Field of Possibilities is about cities

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being the only places
where this is possible.

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Why? Because they are dense,

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they live of closeness,

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they live of human contact,

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they live of density

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and functional diversity.

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And everything we’ve done wrong

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in terms of urbanisation

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with functionalism,

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the act of putting different functions
into areas without allowing for diversity,

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makes alternative forms
of transport impossible.

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So the cities are fields of possibilities,

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they’re going to move
towards this possible

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because they have all the ingredients
for getting there.

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You still have to mix
the ingredients right for it to work.

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I think that we should
look at densification,

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for example in Brussels, more broadly.

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This is about the outer suburbs.

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We should examine, here too,

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what the possibilities
for densification are,

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so that all this densification
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Harnessed densification,

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that’s a good model for the future.

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I think that « circular construction »

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will become much more common.

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We can’t treat buildings

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like disposable products.

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We’re going to have to think
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how to preserve older buildings,

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how to re-use the materials,

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but also how, in new builds,

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to plan for future adaptability.

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I think that circular construction

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is a very important theme for the future.

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I would like to show a few projects

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in which there are in fact two things

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that are changing in the cities.

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The first thing is the old division

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between home to work
and recreational traffic.

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This is a mono-functional scheme,

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that we’re moving more and more away from.

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All these functions are being more
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And it is very important to mix
in a small structure.

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Officially, it’s known as « mixed use »,

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I’m showing two projects on it.

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The other aspect that’s becoming

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more and more important

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is the monolithic look on buildings,

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a building that in fact hardly
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and is solely functional.

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This is also something
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Now, we’re designing buildings

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that have an identity.

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Finally, we want to mix together

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work, housing,
recreational elements, traffic,

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as well as education
in a small structure.

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We want to add to existing buildings

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new buildings that have a strong identity.

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I think that we should also work

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on the « urban heat island » effect
of the city.

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I think that we’re going
to have to provide

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more green spaces, dispersed greenery,
in the city in the coming years.

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These are all changes

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that are intended to prepare our cities

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for the climate change that is happening.

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The problem in our regions,

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this is especially the case in Brussels,

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is that institutional governance

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creates territorial tension,

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territorial competition
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who each want to obtain the maximum
number of residents, jobs, etc.,

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and unfortunately,
this is not very compatible.

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But Brussels must take
its future into its hands

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and enhance its intrinsic quality

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as a metropolitan city,

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as a global city.

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Walloon Brabant is suffocating

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from its own mobility,

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because we forget that most of the people
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no longer come to Brussels,

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they work in Walloon Brabant

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or they work from Walloon Brabant
going towards Flemish Brabant

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but it’s said they connect with Brussels.

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That’s not true.

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They connect with the Brussels Ring

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which is kind of the ring of Belgium

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and so they contribute

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to this metropolitan immobility

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that is suffocating,

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just about everywhere, Brussels,

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and not many people know it,

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but in fact there are fewer
cars in circulation

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in Brussels today
than there were 10 or 20 years ago.

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But there is more congestion

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because we also made a choice

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to rebalance the public space

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and make more room
for public transport, cycles,

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which have made things change,
so inevitably

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in Walloon Brabant, in Flemish Brabant,

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things are going to get worse.

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People can carry on,

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can carry on choosing to relocate there,

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businesses, citizens relocating there
but in full knowledge of the facts.

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Things are only going

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to get much worse

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and access to the cities

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will have to be other than by car

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because the cities are going
to need to be protected.

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I think we should be concerned
about the source

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of the construction materials we use,

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meaning about the energy that is used

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to produce them or not,

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about the carbon footprint on our planet

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and, as is already the case with food,

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architects should be steered

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towards the conscious use
of sustainable materials.

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So on this basis,

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wood is a renewable material

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and is something that could be of interest

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to our cities in the future

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because when you construct in wood,

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you don’t necessarily have to show it.

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I think that
a building’s supporting structure

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or even a high building,

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can be done in wood
without the façade of this building

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looking visibly made of wood, etc.

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So here we really want to increase

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the amount of wood used in construction

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so as to increase usage of the biomass

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and to leave,
after the life of this building,

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because we must also think about

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what happens
after the building has been used,

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not a negative trace,

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neither at the environmental
nor the planetary level.

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With Yves Weinand, we developed
a quite ambitious project

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for the city of Liège:

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the new « Halle des Foires » in Coronmeuse.

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That was a competition we didn’t win

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but it did enable us to carry out

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a quite extensive study

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on the application of this research

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at the University to construction,

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for a project
that could have characterised

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the future of the City of Liège

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in a new dynamic, new industry

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that replaces traditional
metallurgical industry.

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Here, we’re scanning real trees,

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we know the precise description

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of the natural form of this tree

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and we manage to connect this form

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to the eventual placing of a piece

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in an architectural construction.

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So we proposed a large-scale building

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in which we preserve all the elements

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such as they exist in nature

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to insert them as load-bearing elements

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like for example a lattice beam

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or post-assembled pillars.

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And with that, we manage to drop the price

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for example for just
a load-bearing structure,

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to a quarter of the normal price.

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It’s very attractive indeed

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to get a one cubic metre of wood

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for around €130

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compared with glued plywood

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at around €1,500 per cubic metre.

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For me, the opportunities for architecture

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can be found in creating added value,

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not in the pure exercise
of the architectural profession

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but in looking further
than the actual discipline.

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This means that you also have
to be interested

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in the development of buildings,

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the financing, the usage,

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the future, and very importantly,

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how flexible the buildings
will be in the future,

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and, also very important, knowledge.

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Knowledge of the regulations,

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knowledge of the laws

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that are going to change.

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These 3 things, the future, flexibility,

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the fact of looking further
than the building,

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and also at what happens
before the process begins,

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and at the same time having
a lot of knowledge,

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I think that these are
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for architecture in general.


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