Technical sheet of this architecture video clip
Journalist : Emma C. Dessouroux
Cameramen : Didier Minne / Kinoflight

Editing : Emma C. Dessouroux / Cristina Dias
Direction : Emma C. Dessouroux
Production : Les Délires Productions

Translation : Strakermedia – Comtrans
Rereading : Serge Ryckoort / Emelire
Subtitles : Les Délires Productions

Speakers : Catherine Guyot, Architect, Director ARVHA, President Woment in Architecture France – Sandra De Giorgio, Architect, NZI Architectes (Prize young woman architect 2018) – Amanda Levete, Architect, AL_A. (International Prize 2018) – Bathilde Millet, Architect (Prize original work 2018) – Marie Zawitowski, on site architecture (Mention special prize woman architect 2018)

English Subtitles

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My name is Catherine Guyot.
I’m an architect and town planner.

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I’m the director of the association ARVHA,

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the Town and Habitat Research Association,

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and also the president
of Women in Architecture France.

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I did a study for Europe
and the Île-de-France region

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about the role of women
in architectural practices,

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after it was noticed

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that women were highly undervalued,

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very little celebrated,

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and also earned far less than men.

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Now, when it comes to wages,
I can’t really apply much pressure,

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but when it comes to celebrating women,

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with there already being
two prizes abroad,

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notably in the UK and also in Italy,

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with the backing
of the Ministry of Culture,

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I launched the Prize of Women Architects,

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to give them recognition and value.

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I think it’s important and necessary.
I hope one day, it won’t be necessary,

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I hope one day,
we won’t need this kind of prize

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and it will just be like that.

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It’s not something I suffer from
in my daily work, not at all,

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but as long as it’s still useful
for many other people,

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we have to continue it.

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If we look at the
Pritzker Architecture Prize, since 1975,

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three women have won the prize.

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Looking at the Équerre d’Argent, it’s 13%.

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Now, that means for women generally,

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if they’re not in a man-woman team,

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they have about a 2% chance
of winning the Pritzker.

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Two percent is almost no chance at all.

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Nowadays, women are far more numerous

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in the schools,
far more are joining the Order,

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representing 39% of those joining
the Order among young people,

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so they can’t be forgotten.

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It’s a profession
which is becoming very feminised.

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I have been in practice now for 30 years,

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and I’ve seen huge change for the better.

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So, in one sense, there’s never been
a better time to be a woman,

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and yet, we’re still defined
by our gender, which is a problem.

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And so, I think, for me,
the message that I want to convey

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is that there are no barriers,

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and if there are barriers,
we have to take responsibility

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for breaking them down

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and be strong about that.

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I never had a problem.
Honestly, in my working life,

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it’s always gone really, really well,

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so I’m not a militant.

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It’s a great honour for me
to get this prize

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and it’s particularly poignant
to receive a French award

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at a time when there’s such turmoil
in the UK.

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And whatever happens,

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I remain European.

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And it’s important this prize, because…

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it shines a spotlight on the achievements
of women in architecture,

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and I think that’s going to help us
shift the conversation

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so that we can all be just architects,

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and not just recognised
because of our gender.

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I’m delighted to have
the Prize for Original Work,

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because it’s a shared prize,

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and the project which was awarded tonight

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was a project which grew
from a real human adventure,

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with an amazing collaboration

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between different participants, companies,

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as we have
a conception-construction grouping,

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contractors, concept managers,

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and a complex project management team.

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All of these have managed
to work together for five years,

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because projects take a long time,

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designing this project, which in fact,

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is an original project for us.

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I didn’t nominate myself
to promote myself,

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they came to find me.

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How can I put it? It’s not…

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I’m pleased my work has been recognised,

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but for me,

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in architecture,
it’s not the individual who matters.

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It’s a team effort,

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so I would never say: « My architecture. »

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For me, architecture
is not an individual thing,

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it really transcends individuals,

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and which, in any case…

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To start with, the architect’s aim
is to serve the greater good,

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and not themselves.

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Being a twin partnership,
it seemed slightly odd to be accepting it

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on behalf of my practice,
which consists of two people,

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but at the same time, I wanted to promote

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the position of women,
especially young women,

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so the individual aspect
was very touching.

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We have to highlight what we do
to have greater influence today.

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And the Prize of Women Architects
was one such occasion.

French Subtitles

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Je m’appelle Catherine Guyot,
je suis architecte et urbaniste.

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Je suis la directrice
de l’association ARVHA,

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Association pour la Recherche
sur la Ville et l’Habitat,

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et en même temps la présidente
de Women in Architecture France.

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J’ai fait une étude pour l’Europe
et la région Île-de-France

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sur la place des femmes
dans les agences d’architecture.

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à la suite de quoi, on a constaté

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que les femmes étaient
très, très peu valorisées,

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très, très peu célébrées

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et en plus, gagnaient
beaucoup moins que les hommes.

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Alors, pour ce qui est de la rémunération,

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je n’ai pas
de moyen de pression véritable,

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mais pour ce qui est
de la célébration des femmes,

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en raison du fait qu’il y avait déjà
deux autres prix à l’étranger,

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notamment en Angleterre
et puis aussi en Italie,

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j’ai décidé, avec le soutien
du ministère de la Culture,

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de lancer ce prix
des Femmes Architectes, justement,

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pour les faire connaître
et les mettre en valeur.

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Je trouve que c’est important
tant que c’est nécessaire.

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J’espère qu’un jour,
ce ne sera plus nécessaire.

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J’espère qu’un jour, on n’aura
plus besoin de ce genre de prix

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et que ce sera de fait, comme ça.

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C’est pas quelque chose
dont je souffre, moi,

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au quotidien dans mon métier, pas du tout.

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Mais tant que pour plusieurs personnes,
c’est encore utile,

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il faut continuer à le faire, oui.

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Si on regarde le Pritzker, depuis 1975,

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il y a eu trois femmes qui ont eu le prix.

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Si vous regardez l’Équerre d’Argent,
c’est 13 %.

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Donc ça veut dire que les femmes,
généralement,

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si elles ne sont pas
en couple homme-femme,

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elles ont pratiquement 2 % de chances
d’avoir le prix, le Pritzker.

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Deux pour cent de chances,
c’est rien du tout.

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Alors maintenant, les femmes
sont de plus en plus nombreuses

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dans les écoles, sont de plus en plus
nombreuses à s’inscrire à l’Ordre,

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elles sont 39 % à s’inscrire à l’Ordre
dans les jeunes générations,

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donc on ne peut pas les oublier.

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C’est quand même une profession
qui se féminise énormément.

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Ça fait maintenant 30 ans
que je suis dans le métier

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et j’ai vu de nettes améliorations.

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Donc, en un certain sens, l’époque
n’a jamais été aussi favorable aux femmes,

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et pourtant, nous restons définies
par notre genre, ce qui est problématique.

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Et donc, je pense que le message
que je veux faire passer

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est qu’il n’y a pas de barrières,

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et que s’il y a des barrières,
nous devons prendre nos responsabilités

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pour les briser

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en nous montrant déterminées.

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Moi, j’ai jamais eu de problème.
Honnêtement, dans ma vie professionnelle,

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ça s’est toujours très,
très bien passé, donc…

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voilà, je ne suis pas une militante.

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C’est un grand honneur
pour moi de recevoir ce prix,

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et c’est particulièrement émouvant
de recevoir une récompense française

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à un moment où le Royaume-Uni
traverse une telle crise.

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Et quoi qu’il advienne,

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je reste Européenne.

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Et ce prix est important, parce que…

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c’est un coup de projecteur
sur ce que font les femmes en architecture

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et je pense que ça va nous aider
à faire avancer le débat

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pour que nous soyons simplement
reconnues comme architectes,

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et pas seulement
pour notre appartenance à un genre.

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Moi, je suis ravie d’avoir
le prix de l’Œuvre originale,

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parce que c’est un prix qui se partage,

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et que le projet qui a été,
donc, lauréat ce soir,

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est un projet qui est né
d’une véritable aventure humaine,

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avec une collaboration extraordinaire

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de différents intervenants, entreprises

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parce qu’on a un groupement
conception-construction,

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une maîtrise d’ouvrage,
une maîtrise d’usage,

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et une équipe de maîtrise
d’œuvre complexe,

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et tout ce petit monde a réussi
à cohabiter pendant cinq ans,

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parce que le temps
d’un projet c’est long,

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pour concevoir ce projet qui, de ce fait,

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est pour nous un projet original.

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Je n’ai pas candidaté
pour être mentionnée,

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on est plutôt venu me chercher.

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Comment dire ? Ce n’est pas…

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J’apprécie qu’on reconnaisse mon parcours,

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mais pour moi,

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l’individu n’est pas la priorité
dans l’architecture.

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C’est vraiment un travail d’équipe,

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donc je ne dirais jamais :
« Mon architecture ».

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Pour moi, l’architecture,
ce n’est pas quelque chose d’individuel,

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c’est quelque chose
qui transcende l’individu,

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et qui, de toute façon…

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Au départ, la vocation de l’architecte
est de servir le plus grand nombre,

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et non soi-même.

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Étant associées à deux,

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c’était un peu particulier
pour moi de l’accepter

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au nom de mon agence,
d’une agence qui s’est construite à deux,

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mais qui, en même temps,
voulait promouvoir

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la position de femme,
et jeune, qui plus est,

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et du coup, le côté individuel
était extrêmement touchant.

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Il faut montrer au maximum ce qu’on fait

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pour, aujourd’hui,
avoir accès à la commande

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et le prix Femmes Architectes
faisait partie de ces occasions-là.